🇵🇰 Pakistan Episodes

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings  In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, M. Mudassar Aqil. What was his early life like? How did he start a career in banking and how did it progress? What role did he play while working there, and what was his last job? Why did he come back to Pakistan and does he regret it? Joining Alfalah - Quality Assurance & FINCA Microfinance Bank Limited. How do microfinance banks operate? Why did he become interested in microfinance? What problem is microfinance solving? What problem are we facing in Pakistan? Why did he join Easypaisa? Why join Easypaisa? Why should people be brought into the banking system? How does business banking work? Is the economy being affected? Are they working with any startups? Are they working or willing to work with any startups? Why haven't people gotten used to QR codes yet? What needs to be done to make payments digital? Eventually, will agent commission be reduced? Mudassar’s opinion on the current ecosystem? Where do they stand on investments? Is it possible to have an applet within Easypaisa? How does he envision the banking ecosystem & Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and a lot more in tonight’s episode.  Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Mudassar’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/m-mudassar-aqil-ab13b811 One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

One of Pakistan pre-eminent economists and the founder of BISP, Dr. Kaiser Bengali, joins us on The Pakistan Experience to break down Pakistan's political economy and what stops economic reform in Pakistan.   On this deep dive podcast, we discuss IMF, the current crisis, the defence budget, Bhutto's nationalization, Zia-ul-Haq, economic reform and protectionism.  Do we have any options but to go to the IMF?  Is IMF evil?  Who stops economic reform in Pakistan?  What will fix our economy's structural flaws?   Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience.     Kaiser Bengali is an economist with over 40 years of experience in teaching, research and policy advice in Pakistan and abroad. He has a master’s in economics from Boston University, USA, and a Ph.D. in Economics from the University of Karachi, Pakistan. He has taught and conducted research at prestigious institutions in Pakistan, such as the Applied Economics Research Centre (AERC), University of Karachi, Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SDPI), Islamabad, Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Institute of Science & Technology (SZABIST), and was Managing Director of the Social Policy & Development Centre (SPDC), Karachi.     The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience      And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience        The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.              Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89         Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 2:00 Was IMF Pakistan's only option and lack of planning 5:45 What stops economic reform? 9:45 Ayub Khan and Bhutto's Development 11:30 Military Dictatorships and Political Economy 17:00 Bhutto's Nationalization 24:00 18th Amendment: Is the problem the Provinces or the Center? 28:30 Pakistan can't increase revenue in the short run 32:30 Privatization 40:00 Is the IMF "neutral" and will Pakistan go bankrupt? 46:00 Foreign Ownership of Enterprises and Investment 49:00 Pakistan has a narrow base of economy and lack of Value Addition 54:00 What Kaiser Bengali did in the Government 59:30 Three Major Structural Flaws in our Economy 1:06:00 Unsustainable Growth and Elite lobbies 1:10:30 Government Intervention and Agriculture 1:15:30 Stock Market 1:18:00 Hyperinflation and Devaluation 1:22:00 Petrodollars trap and IMF's micromanagement 1:24:50 State Bank Autonomy 1:27:50 The people need to protest 1:32:50 Differences with Ishrat Hussain

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings     In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Dr. Aftab Maroof. What was his early life like? Participating in the family business and why did he leave it? What did he do after? When did she start teaching and how did the journey progress? Getting a scholarship - COTS and how was it like living abroad? What was his research based on? Was his family also there? Why did they come back to Pakistan? Where did he work after coming back? Why was it a good time to choose FAST? What has he done for the University until now? How and Why did Fast University begin? How did it expand? The first admission and why so many people applied? Aftab’s personal journey? When did he become the director and what happened after? Why did he leave? Getting the Chiniot Campus constructed and the size of all campuses? How do they decide where and how to make a new campus? What challenges do they face? How is the board chosen? What model do they follow and is there room for improvement? Research, and how they promote it? Is something missing in our system? Why haven’t there been any placements here? Is Pakistan under an Educational emergency? Why aren’t most of our graduates employable? What’s the solution to this? Can we recover the money we spend on education? How can better resources be created? Why don’t our universities offer additional courses/diplomas? Why are they starting the Fintech Degree? How does he see the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and a lot more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Dr. Aftab’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aftab-maroof-2b08242b/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Muhammed Bukhari. What has his life been like? Spending 22 years in London and what was the trajectory of his career there? How and why did he shift to farming? Starting the Mango business, and how does it work? Increasing the shelf life and what constitutes high-quality mango? Pre and post-harvest roles and water efficiency. How do they identify the moisture levels in plants? What are they currently up to? How to get the Nitrogen and stress levels of the soil? How often do they guide the farmers through the report? How do they make money? Are partners available in Pakistan? What’s their B2B channel like? What is G1 Garlic? What value are they providing? What is the Ratoon crop? How did they end up raising $130000 Million in seed funding? How do they plan on using this money? Where are they located? Are we water-scarce or can it be used more effectively? What are Pakistan’s agriculture ecosystem flaws? How are they bringing change? Eventually, will they help farmers in deciding which crop to buy? How are they doing in this economic downturn? What’s the feedback like? What is the potential investment opportunity? What’s his opinion on the current ecosystem? How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Muhammad’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/muhammed-bukhari-fcma-4b717419/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

Imaan Zainab-Mazari Hazir, an activist and a lawyer, comes on the podcast to discuss the recent harassment her, and her family, faced at the hands of the state. We discuss the missing persons issues and the remedies that the law provides.   On this deep dive podcast we discuss State Fascism, the role of the judiciary, what our politicians and bureaucrats should do, the inaction of our mainstream parties and the law.   The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.   Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89      Chapters: Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 2:00 Privilege and Fascism 6:30 Silence on Balochistan 11:00 Judiciary and the Missing Persons issue 14:00 Mainstream Political Parties not doing anything on Enforced Disappearances 23:50 The Legal Process and remedies 36:30 Twitter Toxicity 46:30 Musharraf 50:30 Qazi Fes Isa 52:00 Peoples Questions

Can the Mainstream parties bring about change?  How to unite the Left?   Why are Pakhtuns and the Baloch protesting?  Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience with Ismat Raza Shahjehan.  Ismat Raza Shahjahan is a socialist-feminist political leader from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. She is the president of Women Democratic Front, the deputy general-secretary of the Awami Workers Party, and a leading member of the Pashtun Tahafuz Movement  The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience    And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience    The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.        Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89     Chapters: 0:00 State's fascism against protestors and the Mainstream Parties 11:00 Changing the system: Revolution vs Evolution 22:00 The system co-opting narratives 28:00 The Left in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa 36:30 PTM 41:30 Identity Politics and Fractures in the Left 58:30 Uniting the Left 1:05:00 Peoples Questions

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings  In tonight’s conversation with our special guest, Saad Hamid. What has Saad’s journey been like? What was living in Skardu like? How was communication back then? Saad’s opinion on why he thinks he was bullied? What was his educational journey like? Does GPA matter? What factors contributed to his success? Are your younger siblings usually inquisitive? How did he earn money at the time? Why did he sell it? Why did he join Jazz? What was his role in Jazz? What position did he move to next? Why did he switch jobs? How was his time in Invest2Innovate? How did he launch his own company and how did it go? What was DEMO about? Jadu and what it’s focused on? Launching a co-working space and why he left it? How did he end up at Google? What is his current role at Google? Everything about the Jadu career app and career progression? What does this app entail? What does their general aptitude test do? Will Jadu become a career companion app? IT exports and lack of developer talent? What’s the issue? How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode.  Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Saad’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saadhamid/ Jadu’s website: https://joinjadu.com/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings     In tonight’s conversation with our special guests, Aamir Ibrahim and Saif Ali.  What has Aamir's journey been like? When and how did he join Mobilink? How was Jazz launched? How did his career progress? When did they acquire WARID and how did it convert into JAZZ? How has Jazz evolved over time? What are their goals to make Pakistan digital? What was the merger advantage and what other initiatives do they have on the go? Why is customer engagement important to them and when can we expect a super-app? What is the "Jazz World" and "Tamasha" app? Why are they interested in local content development? How did they end up raising Pakistan’s largest series A with $37m raise? How is Jazz adding value to this? Will they maximize the potential of digital? Can we expect friction costs to reduce? How can this reduce corruption? How are they enabling trade? Why retail? Why is their partnership valuable? Who provides the inventory? Eventually, can Dastgyr become the main source of supply? Was it risky to announce it during this time? What is the next step? Why has 5G not been introduced in Pakistan yet? How can the internet situation in Pakistan be improved? Luxury Vs. Necessity and Spectrum. Why did they partner with Nayatel and why is our internet so unstable? How does Aamir envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and so much more in tonight's episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Saif Ali (Executive Director - Dastgyr) https://www.linkedin.com/in/saifali1/? Aamir Ibrahim (CEO - Jazz): https://www.linkedin.com/in/aamir97/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings  In conversation with tonight’s guest, Kashif Hafeez Siddiqui. What has Kashif’s Journey been like? Have our teachers changed over time? How does “Shayari” help us in practical life? Do poets still exist in today's world? Is it useful for communication? Teaching Urdu to our kids and the educational journey. What was Kashif’s first job? Joining “Oasis” & pursuing master's. Which jobs did he change? How did “Pulse Consulting” begin? Where is the company right now? What did he learn during his marketing research and what are the different cultural bands in Pakistan? The socio-economic classes in Pakistan and PSLM? What is his opinion of the media? Where is Media’s viewership headed? How do you define your target market? How are they gathering insights? Is digital media replacing traditional methods? What is their analysis of the youth of Pakistan? How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Kashif’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kashif-hafeez-siddiqui-646a9012/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

How would you explain the budget to a 5 year old?  Shahrukh Wani is an economist at the University of Oxford’s Blavatnik School of Government working on urban and economic development. He is also a columnist on economic policy in Pakistan with articles published in Dawn, The News, among others.  Shahrukh comes on the podcast to break down the federal budget for 2022-2023. Does the Federal budget even more?  Is the budget only there to get the IMF payment?  Will Pakistan default? Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience.  The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience  And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience  The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.     Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89   Chapters: 0:00 Budget 2022-2023 for dummies 7:00 Direct cash transfers 13:45 Tax on Property 27:08 Relief for salaried class and expanding the tax net 41:30 How much does the Federal Budget matter? 48:30 Peoples Questions 51:10 Dollarized Debt 53:15 Are we headed for a global recession? 55:30 Pakistan kay constraints siyaasi hain 1:01:00 Pakistan won't go bankrupt 1:02:00 Export Industries, Value Additions and Protectionism 1:11:00 Budget leaking to the media 1:02:10 How India dealt with their forex issue 1:14:10 Is IMF evil? 1:19:00 Q&A Session

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings  In conversation with tonight’s guest, Haseeb Khan. What has his journey been like? The BNU experience? Can defining your children's lives have an impact on them? Why did he choose to pursue design back then? What is the importance of freelancing? Haseeb’s experience in 9Lines and how did he begin to get additional work? What was it like to work in the fashion industry? Fashion Designer Vs. Corporate brands? Was it a collaborative effort? What kind of gear did they use? Why did he shift from Canon to Sony? Why do they use A7R3 & A73? When did he leave fashion and what did he shift to? What aspects of Product Photography did he tap into? Why did he start his own business? How did he meet his wife? How did they end up getting married? What does his wife do? Does working in the same place affect them? What do they sell on Mytype.Store? How was it sourcing from Pakistan? Are their supplies currently in order? How many returns do they get? Are they creating a lifestyle brand? Does Sales Tax impact them? How do they plan on scaling it? The importance of boosting your product? Can we upscale our designers? How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Haseeb’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/haseebskhan/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings  In conversation with tonight’s guest, Haziq Ahmed. What has Haziq’s journey been like? The self-exploration stage, what exactly is TIP, and how did he end up there? What were the teachers there like? What is textile 101? Textile product science and their buying house? How did he figure out this model won’t work and what did he do about it? What was Haziq’s own brand like? What is CMT? How did they add value and end up expanding the business? Applying to the University of Manchester and getting accepted. How was Haziq’s first-ever exhibition? What was he exactly doing at the time? What was the reason for the shutdown? How did he end up finding a job? What was he selling and how did his career progress? Why did he return to Pakistan? How did he help create a digital store and why did it fail? How did he become a brand manager for KAPRAY and how did it go? What is Pakistan’s apparel market like?  How did Zellbury happen and why did he end up moving to Alkaram Studio? How much of our western wear is sourced locally & how much is imported? What is the economics of Pakistan’s apparel market? Why aren't our brands more widely recognized? What is elo’s model and why is it smart? Why did he switch to Foodpanda? What challenges was Foodpanda facing at the time? How was Haziq’s technical interview? How did they grow? Are food delivery companies profitable? How to make it operationally positive? Is there utility in electric mobility? Shifting to Dukan.pk? Why did he start his own company? What are they exactly building? What is Krave Mart? Where are they operating currently? What’s their vision? Is it profitable to digitize it? Why have they used AI-based surveillance? What else will they integrate and why? Is last-mile logistics creating a problem? How will they optimize it? What did they do with the money they raised? Will there be mergers and acquisitions? Are riders being ill-treated and is something being done? How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Haziq’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/haziq-ahmed-2742a916/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings  In conversation with tonight’s guest, Saboor Akram. What has Saboor’s journey been like? How did he get his camera skills? How did he decide what path to take? When did he begin his professional career? Saboor’s breakthrough? How did he end up making the Spiderman fan fiction film? What steps did they take with the sensor board? The premiere and what were his learnings? What are his plans for the future? Why did he choose to go to Turkey? What is Saboor currently doing? What is an “Era film”? What problems do we face? What type of era film will he be making? Reason behind Pakistan's film industry's lag? What is the main problem that causes this? How can we solve this? Saboor’s thought on Rahim Pardesi’s film? What do we lack? Why are we behind the Indian cinemas? How has Saboor changed his mindset? Importance of finding the connection? What is the storytelling in Pakistan like? How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode.  #thoughtbehindthings #muzamilhasan #filmmaking 00:00 Tonight’s guest: Saboor Akram 00:54 Saboor’s Journey! 02:25 How did he get his camera skills? 04:10 How did he decide what path to take? 06:23 When did he begin his professional career? 07:22 Saboor’s break-through 08:07 How did he wind up making a Spiderman fan film? 11:05 What steps did they take with the sensor board? 12:44 The premiere 12:53 What were his learnings? 13:17 What are his plans for the future? 19:36 Why did he choose to go to Turkey? 21:33 What is Saboor currently doing? 22:12 What is an “Era film”? 22:28 What problems do we face? 23:45 What type of era film will he be making?  26:01 Reason behind Pakistan's film industry's lag? 28:42 What is the main problem that causes this? 37:22 How can we solve this? 46:47 Saboor’s thought on Rahim Pardesi’s film  50:42 What do we lack? 51:07 Why are we behind the Indian cinemas? 55:41 Problem solving 58:18 How has Saboor changed his mindset? 1:01:38 Finding the connection 1:03:30 Storytelling in Pakistan 1:09:55 How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Saboor’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/boorayy__/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

Ammar Khan is an economist, analyst and a consultant.   Ammar comes on The Pakistan Experience for a detail discussion on the Pakistani economy, the economic reforms we need and why we are where we are.  How to combat elite capture?  Why is Petrol 209 rupees?  Can Pakistan refine Russian oil?  Was Daronomics bad?   Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience.  The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience  And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience  The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.     Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89   Chapters: 0:00 Polarization 1:30 Why is Petrol 209 rupees? 6:30 Civilian Governments being too vulnerable to make economic reform 11:30 Child Labour 17:00 Can Pakistan refine Russian oil? 26:30 Should the Government set fuel prices? 28:00 Direct Cash Transfers and Subsidies 29:30 Middle Class and De-incentivizing investment 36:30 How to manage capital reallocation 47:00 Economic Growth Indicators  56:00 Daronomics 58:30 Elite Subsidies and Amnesties 1:03:00 Debt and Public Infrastructure  1:05:00 Kab roti hogi sasti 1:06:30 Judging PTIs Economic Performance and IMF 1:16:00 Long Term Pakistan's Economic Policy 1:17:20 Defence Budget 1:20:20 Why Pakistan won't become Sri Lanka 1:24:30 Hyper Inflation 1:25:30 Pakistani start ups, fintech and banking apps 1:30:50 Book recommendations 1:32:50 "Neutral" Economic sources and Polarization 1:36:00 Is there any hope?

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings  In conversation with tonight’s guest, Fahad Tanveer. Where has Fahad previously worked? What has Fahad’s Journey been like? How did he end up at LUMS and how did it go? Economics Vs. Development economics? How does this mix with political science? What did he do post-graduation? What was Fahad’s first business and how did he manage to do it? How was his MBA experience? Why should one do an MBA? The LUMS to Harvard journey and Fahad’s first job. Economics Vs. Finance? How was it like joining Telenor Easypaisa? Why did he end up moving to Nestle? What is PNL? What was it like working for Milo? Why did he leave it? Why did he choose to support his wife at the time? What program did he choose to do? When and why did he do his second masters? Where did they get the thought to start Edkasa? How did they figure out the problem? What solution did they find and how was it implemented? How and why did they scale it? Why should one pick Edkasa? Is change in the mode of assessment impacting them? How does tech evolve and how can it be made better? What will make a difference? How does he see Edkasa and Pakistan 30 years from now? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode.  Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Fahad’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fahadtanveer/ Edkasa’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/edkasa/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

Syed Muzammil Shah is a political scientist, youtuber and tv anchor with an interest in politics, philosophy and science.  Muzammil comes back on the podcast to discuss the current political scenario, why we don't support Imran Khan, rising fascism in Pakistan, and why this could be very dangerous.  Why is Imran Khan a ladla?  Why do women support Imran Khan?  Are Khan's politics popular or populist?  Find out this and more on this week's episode of The Pakistan Experience. The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience   And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience    The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.     Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89    Chapters: 0:00 Echo Chambers and Urbanized Thinking 3:30 Why is Imran Khan ladla and other people can't criticize? 10:00 Personal attacks and being called biased 17:00 Anti-Establishment Politics, Facism and Populism 23:00 Anti-Americanism 32:30 Imran Khan Supporters 38:00 Women supporters of Imran Khan 43:00 PTI's Corruption Narrative 52:00 Handsome and Strong Man politics 58:00 Use of Religion 1:05:00 Peoples Questions

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In conversation with tonight’s guest, Areeb Tariq. How was his trip to Nathia Gali? What has Areeb’s journey been like? What is his father's occupation? After O-Levels, how can you attend university? What gave him the ability to be so good at what he does? Was he a student and a worker? How did he move to Pakistan and how did it go? When did he begin freelancing, why did he do so, and how is it going? How does one go about becoming a competent graphic designer? The shift in mentality and how things are changing? What is RadicalX? Their courses and when to attend them? Why did he decide to build a community? How much does the course cost? Was he successful in cultivating talent in his classes? Karachi Vs. Islamabad culture. Ajeeb Studio, why did he choose to call it “Ajeeb”? When was this launched and what’s it about? What is fashion to Areeb? Is it possible for Pakistani street fashion to succeed? What’s different about the GenZ? A class on “How to Google?” How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Areeb’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/areebtariq111/?hl=en Areeb’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/areebtariq/?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Egoogle%2Ecom%2F&originalSubdomain=pk RadicalX LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radical-x/ One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In conversation with tonight’s guest, Hafiz Naeem Ur Rehman. What has Naeem’s journey been like? How did he enter into student politics, and why did he do so? In terms of politics, what happened back then? What is currently happening? Why is it so complicated? His thoughts on what happened in KPK? What’s the problem with this system? What’s the problem with this system? Why doesn't democracy flourish? How can the problem be solved? How can the feudal mentality be overcome? What does the government sector need to do? What are they planning to do? What happened in PMDC? What does he think should be done? Why couldn’t Karachi get the Sehat Card? Are Karachi's political parties now merely advocacy groups? Thoughts on making Karachi the federating unit? De facto & De Jure? Why were there no censuses and what impact does this have? What are the grounds for this? Population censuses, voter lists, and its practical implications. Loadshedding and wafaqi service quota? Are they ready for the elections? Karachi’s local body act? Do they have the right? What will the next local government election entail? What’s the actual problem with water and what’s the solution? How is the water being distributed? Does the Local Body have authority over this? Mass transit program and why has work not been done? How has the city managed to stay afloat? Current law and order situation in Karachi? What he has to say to the people of Karachi? How does he envision the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan Hafiz’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/naeemrehmanengr/?hl=en One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ

Adeel Afzal is an actor and content creator. Starting from Mangobaaz, Adeel Afzal achieved fame for his hard hitting videos on social issues. Recently, Adeel starred in Parizad and Saang-e-Mah.  Adeel comes on the podcast to discuss the current climate of political polarization, troll culture,  taxing the rich, male insecurities and leaked videos.  The Pakistan Experience is an independently produced podcast looking to tell stories about Pakistan through conversations. Please consider supporting us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thepakistanexperience  And Please stay in touch: https://twitter.com/ThePakistanExp1 https://www.facebook.com/thepakistanexperience https://instagram.com/thepakistanexpeperience  The podcast is hosted by comedian and writer, Shehzad Ghias Shaikh. Shehzad is a Fulbright scholar with a Masters in Theatre from Brooklyn College. He is also one of the foremost Stand-up comedians in Pakistan and frequently writes for numerous publications.     Instagram.com/shehzadghiasshaikh Facebook.com/Shehzadghias/ Twitter.com/shehzad89   Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 5:00 Aamir Liaquat 8:40 Political Polarization and Troll culture 18:00 Taxing the Rich 23:00 Journalism 28:00 Pakistan is not a ghareeb mulk 34:00 Doing dramas 36:00 Political Culture and Grooming 43:00 Dynastic politicsc 47:00 Basic Human Rights 54:30 Male Ego and Male Insecurity 1:10:00 Dananeer

International listeners can support TBT here: https://buy.stripe.com/14keVU54r5hQ55S000 Be part of our community by joining our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thoughtbehindthings In conversation with tonight’s guest, Javed Hassan. What has his journey been like? Getting into investment banking and moving back to Pakistan. The “Economics Advisory Group” and how it’s working? What’s Pakistan’s current economic situation? What does “default” mean? How much money does Pakistan currently owe and what’s our current account deficit? Why do we need IMF? Credit Default Swap (CDS)? What will the middle class do? Breaking it down for the layman and what he needs to worry about? What decisions should be taken right now? What in the last six months has caused inflation? Has the political uncertainty in the country impacted this? Why aren't we able to maintain our strength in this situation? Where did we go wrong? Elite capture and rent-seeking? How did other countries transform their economy? International pricing, economic complexity index? Which industries should we work on? Is education our main problem? What has our main problem been? What happened after Bhutto’s era? How to reduce corruption? Is there an impact on our financial system? Is there an impact on our financial system and real estate? What does “saving” mean? Is there still hope to change? How does he see the Pakistan of 2050? Catch this and much more in tonight’s episode. Do not forget to subscribe and press the bell icon to catch on to some amazing conversations coming your way! Connect with us: • https://www.instagram.com/thoughtbehindthings   • https://www.instagram.com/muzamilhasan   Javed’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/javedhassan?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor One8nine Media: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6akyz6EpkwyzBmKh0L2rSQ